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  Why did the Early Church Accept the Four NT Gospels and Reject the Gnostic Gospels?

  by Christ Alone in

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  this has been a subject that has been explored by many secular scholars today.

  bart ehrman is one of them.

  the divinci code had this to say about why the gospels were chosen:.

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  James Woods, they rejected the gnostics all together! That was one of the ante-nicene fathers wrote what they did. They were writing against the heresies of the Gnostics.

  Where can you find ANY evidence that they accepted the Gnostic Gospels? And by the early church I am referring to all the evidence and writings we have from the early church fathers: Clement, Ignatius, Polycarp, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Ignatius, etc.

  Again, many of these Gnostic Gospels were not even around during the time some of these men were writing. Perhaps I should've worded my thread title better and wrote it as "Why did the early church accept the four NT gospels and reject the Gnostics".
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  Jehovah's Witnesses View of Jesus Compared to the Early Church

  by cofty in

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  the following is an extract from something i wrote 16 years ago soon after leaving the watchtower.

  i am posting it because it may help honest jws consider how far their beliefs are at odds with new testament christians.

  if they have "the truth" then their attitude to jesus ought to reflect that of the apostles.

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  You're right, Psac. And I get VERY tired of hearing and having to explain John 14:28 so often to JWs and exJWs. Because the Father was in a greater position in heaven than Jesus, they think this MUST mean that Jesus does not have the same nature as God. Isaiah can call Jesus the Mighty God. John can call Jesus God. Hebrews can call Jesus God. But we cannot.

  What if I told a JW, "Jesus is my Mighty God!" They would be offended and taken aback. Even though Isaiah 9:6 says that very thing... Very interesting.
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  What would Jesus think of Crosses everywhere?

  by Simon in

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  BTW, did Simon just violate his own rule #3?
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  What would Jesus think of Crosses everywhere?

  by Simon in

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  I find it wonderful that the cross WAS of pagan orgins. I find it interesting that JWs reject the cross because it was pagan. Well...what else would you expect Him to die on when killed by a pagan nation?!?!? Someone on another site brought out that the "stake" is not much better. It is a phallic symbol. Why should JWs reject a cross for a clearly phallic torture stake and think that is MUCH better?

  Jesus took something (a pagan symbol) that true worshipers rejected, and showed that He is greater. He took a symbol that meant torture, and turned it into a symbol for hope.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses View of Jesus Compared to the Early Church

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the following is an extract from something i wrote 16 years ago soon after leaving the watchtower.

  i am posting it because it may help honest jws consider how far their beliefs are at odds with new testament christians.

  if they have "the truth" then their attitude to jesus ought to reflect that of the apostles.

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  Good points, Psac. The language used to describe the Trinity is outdated in our language, and it attempts to understand something that is beyond our understanding, namely, God.

  However, we do see the implications taught in the scriptures. Just as the word "Theocracy" is not contained in the scriptures, we see the idea of living life under God's ruling taught in the scriptures.

  Many exJWs hold on to the idea that it is unbibilcal to believe that Jesus is eternal God and NOT created. However, this idea is taught over and over again in scripture. They can use a couple of verses to try and prove he was created, however those scriptures are easily understood when the Greek words are examined.
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  What would Jesus think of Crosses everywhere?

  by Simon in

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  We know that at least the early Christians did not reject the cross as something to be shunned. Besides the many quotations of Paul that we should not lessen the power of the Cross, there have been 1st century Christian catacombs unearthed that show that the Christians of that time used the Cross as a symbol of their faith. So the idea that the cross should be viewed in the same manner as a murder weapon (as Jws say) is bogus to the scriptures. 1Cor 1:17 says: " For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power."

  http://www.leaderu.com/theology/burialcave.html

  
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  Will the year 2034 be the end? Is the WT seeing a glimpse of "NEW LIGHT"?

  by suavojr in

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  cedar mentioned this on another thread talking about 2014 and the wt.

  ray also mentioned how easily it would be for the wt to apply the 1 day for a year rule and make 2034 a special year.. .

  they already have a contingency plan enshrined in their literature that will see them through to 2034.. http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/2034.html.

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  Personally I don't think they will ever make the mistake of setting a date again. I think they've learned their lesson with that. Franz is dead and he was the link to the early history of JWs. I think with his passing, the date setting ended. Of course JWs have their own ideas and speculations. I've heard discussion of 2014 among individual JWs in the past.
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  Why did the Early Church Accept the Four NT Gospels and Reject the Gnostic Gospels?

  by Christ Alone in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this has been a subject that has been explored by many secular scholars today.

  bart ehrman is one of them.

  the divinci code had this to say about why the gospels were chosen:.

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  designs and Cagefighter, do you have some references? So far you've made claims that have majorly been debunked. Especially the Horus/Jesus comparissons. I can only assume you are getting your info from Zeitgiest which is a huge joke from a scholarship standpoint.
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  Stronger Christian presence on JWN?

  by Christ Alone in

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  i've only been a member here for a short time, but it seems like there are more christians on the board lately.

  for the first few months that i was on jwn, it appeared that there were very few that argued in favor of a creator and belief in the bible in particular.

  there seems to be several more that have recently joined...or at least posted more regularly regarding belief.

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  I wonder if there was a poll conducted, if the born ins tend to go direct to agnostic/atheist and the converted to JWs from christianity stop at

  christianity?

  That's a very interesting question, notjustyet. Worth its own thread.

  I tried it a few weeks ago, and it didn't work. Here is the thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/241657/1/Survey-Who-here-is-an-atheist-Who-here-still-believes-in-God The variety of beliefs makes it an almost impossible topic. Why? Some are in between right now. Some hold on to a form of Christianity, while identifying themselves as agnostic. Some turn to atheism and then to Christianity. Others turn to Christianity and then to atheism. Some believe that parts of the Bible are accurate while others are not. Some believe the entire bible is accurate. Some believe in an "energy" of the universe, but not a personal God. Some believe that God created, but just doesn't care anymore.

  It's impossible to lump people into the specific labels of "believer, non believer, atheist, agnostic, agnostic/atheist" etc
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  WHAT ARE YOUR MOST VIVID, ODD, or FUNNY Memories of Conventions and Assemblies of Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by Balaamsass in

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  2. experiences

  share with us memories of the bizarre, funny, strange, what you hated, what you miss...we all have them.

  (question..why the big to do between terms- convention and assembly .

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  This isn't funny, but it's vivid.

  I worked in the first aid department for a few years at our DCs. My first year we were called out to a report that a sister had fainted. We got there and the woman was not breathing. The attendents asked us to drag the woman behind the bleachers so that disruption would not be caused during the program. I was shocked. We spent time dragging this woman away before starting CPR. Eventually the fire dept got there and took over CPR. The attendents standing around kept asking the paramedics to lower their voices as they were disrupting the program. You couldn't avoid seeing the look of disgust on the medics faces. They were being "encouraged" to whisper as the medic was ordering the other EMTs around and contacting the hospital by radio.

  The program kept going, with people taking notes only a few feet away, and she was eventually taken away in the ambulance. As one of the fire fighters was leaving he turned to me and said, "I can't believe you people." I never felt so low in my life. I heard that the sister DID make it. So that's the good part of the story, I suppose.

  And to think that the last convention had a drama called "What is true love?" Sick...